Dave Ramsey and Suze Orman are often heard telling their listeners that they can make 12% returns by investing in the stock market. Dave Ramsey talks about how it is more than possible to make 12% returns and even has an article on his website telling people how he recommends making those numbers.
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Suze Orman advises people to start investing at a young age. If you start at 25 and invest $100 a month in the S&P 500 at 12%, by age 65 you’ll have $1 million.
But are 12% returns really achievable? Dave Blanchett, head of pension research at PHIM DC Solutions, doesn’t seem to think so. In fact, he told CNBC that the 12% return is “absolutely insane.”
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So where does the 12% claim come from? Orman and Ramsey both base their 12% return figure on the historical performance of the S&P 500.
On Ramsey’s website, his team highlights the multi-decade average returns:
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1990 to 2020: S&P’s average was 11.55%
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1985 to 2015: S&P’s average was 12.36%
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1980 to 2010: S&P’s average was 12.71%
It’s important to note that each of these averages is over a 30-year time frame. In some years, the returns are much, much lower. In 2015, for example, it was only 1.38%. And sometimes, it’s much higher. In 2013, it was 32.15%.
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However, these numbers are arithmetic averages, which some experts say don’t necessarily account for the complexities of real-world investing. The geometric mean, which many experts consider more accurate, shows otherwise. The geometric return of the S&P 500 from 1928 to 2023 was 9.8%, and from 2014 to 2023 it was 11.91% — still closer in the last decade, but below 12% and lower than the arithmetic return averages.
With the geometric mean over the last decade still close to 12%, why does Blanchett say this number is crazy? The market is volatile, which means returns can vary widely from year to year. When factors like inflation come into play – which averaged around 3% annually from 1926 to 2023 – it erodes the purchasing power of investment returns.
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“The nominal geometric return exceeded 12% in only five of the 113 rolling 40-year periods, which is 4.4% of the time,” Blanchett said. “If 12% were ‘likely,’ you would expect a higher percentage of periods to be at or above 12%.”
According to Blanchet, the more realistic return for aggressive investors is closer to 7%, while investors with a more balanced portfolio may only achieve a 5% return.
While it can be tempting to aim for high returns, it is important to ensure that you have realistic expectations about the returns on your investments. Investors should be wary of overly optimistic claims and understand market volatility and how it can affect their long-term investments.
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Talking to a trusted financial advisor can help you better understand the risk appetite of your investments, what returns you can expect, and how these numbers impact your long-term financial goals.
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